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	<title>Comments on: Why is Friedman So Mystified?</title>
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		<title>By: Mark Laity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Laity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, apropos narrative, I have sent you an email which I think will be of interest to you and your colleagues</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, apropos narrative, I have sent you an email which I think will be of interest to you and your colleagues</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Laity</title>
		<link>http://comops.org/journal/2009/12/01/why-is-friedman-so-mystified/comment-page-1/#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Laity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, thanks, and take your point - we can also challenge their challenge to our narrative much better than we do. I still feel though that we must find Muslim &#039;storytellers&#039; with which to link up. In Afghanistan a central failing has been to get Afghans to even contest the narrative battlefield. When GIRoA refers to ISAF as &#039;foreigners&#039; as well, then we concede unnecessary ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, thanks, and take your point &#8211; we can also challenge their challenge to our narrative much better than we do. I still feel though that we must find Muslim &#8216;storytellers&#8217; with which to link up. In Afghanistan a central failing has been to get Afghans to even contest the narrative battlefield. When GIRoA refers to ISAF as &#8216;foreigners&#8217; as well, then we concede unnecessary ground.</p>
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		<title>By: COMOPS Journal &#187; Obama&#8217;s Speech Didn&#8217;t Close the Narrative Gap</title>
		<link>http://comops.org/journal/2009/12/01/why-is-friedman-so-mystified/comment-page-1/#comment-307</link>
		<dc:creator>COMOPS Journal &#187; Obama&#8217;s Speech Didn&#8217;t Close the Narrative Gap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Steve Corman pointed out, what is needed is what Friedman overlooks.  We do not simply need Muslims to speak out against [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Steve Corman pointed out, what is needed is what Friedman overlooks.  We do not simply need Muslims to speak out against [...]</p>
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		<title>By: editor</title>
		<link>http://comops.org/journal/2009/12/01/why-is-friedman-so-mystified/comment-page-1/#comment-306</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, thanks for your thoughtful comment.  I didn&#039;t mean to suggest that Friedman&#039;s questions aren&#039;t worth asking.  But in the context of the rest of his piece the strike me as a proposal to win the argument by changing the subject.

Your point about asymmetry it well taken, and I like it better as the basis for a response.  Some of us &lt;b&gt;do&lt;/b&gt; understand their narrative.  We should make that clear and insist on questioning it, rather than being cowed by these claims that we &quot;don&#039;t understand.&quot;

There are lots of historical reasons the Crusader and Tatar comparisons are wrong.  For example, unlike the Crusades our actions were not ordered by the Pope and are not aimed at liberating Jerusalem from the Muslims.  We are actually allied with Muslim governments in Iraq and SW Asia.  How exactly is this a Crusade?  

Did Hugalu Khan help rebuild Baghdad and then withdraw from Iraq after his invasion?  We are doing just that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, thanks for your thoughtful comment.  I didn&#8217;t mean to suggest that Friedman&#8217;s questions aren&#8217;t worth asking.  But in the context of the rest of his piece the strike me as a proposal to win the argument by changing the subject.</p>
<p>Your point about asymmetry it well taken, and I like it better as the basis for a response.  Some of us <b>do</b> understand their narrative.  We should make that clear and insist on questioning it, rather than being cowed by these claims that we &#8220;don&#8217;t understand.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are lots of historical reasons the Crusader and Tatar comparisons are wrong.  For example, unlike the Crusades our actions were not ordered by the Pope and are not aimed at liberating Jerusalem from the Muslims.  We are actually allied with Muslim governments in Iraq and SW Asia.  How exactly is this a Crusade?  </p>
<p>Did Hugalu Khan help rebuild Baghdad and then withdraw from Iraq after his invasion?  We are doing just that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Laity</title>
		<link>http://comops.org/journal/2009/12/01/why-is-friedman-so-mystified/comment-page-1/#comment-305</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Laity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with a lot of the above, but I think you are ducking a central issue, which is that it is indeed very difficult for non-Muslims to be ALLOWED to address the Islamic master narrative. Even non-Muslims who have a real understanding of the issues - whether religious or cultural - will find that if they challenge the Tb narrative they are told,&quot;What do you know, you&#039;re not a Muslim, you can&#039;t really understand.&quot;

In effect non-believers are excluded from then becomes a closed debate. However such exclusivity does not apply the other way round, so we are left in a situation where OUR narratives can be debated and challenged by anyone, but theirs cannot.

In that sense the problem is it that it doesn&#039;t matter how good the story is if it&#039;s the wrong storyteller. That means Friedman does have a fundamental point - if non-believers are going to be excluded then those within Islam must take up the challenge of confronting the distortions of their narratives.

He is right to ask the question, and it deserves an answer. We certainly do need to work on our narrative, but we spend too long allowing others to evade dealing with their problems and responsibilities through the rhetorical device of pointing out ours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with a lot of the above, but I think you are ducking a central issue, which is that it is indeed very difficult for non-Muslims to be ALLOWED to address the Islamic master narrative. Even non-Muslims who have a real understanding of the issues &#8211; whether religious or cultural &#8211; will find that if they challenge the Tb narrative they are told,&#8221;What do you know, you&#8217;re not a Muslim, you can&#8217;t really understand.&#8221;</p>
<p>In effect non-believers are excluded from then becomes a closed debate. However such exclusivity does not apply the other way round, so we are left in a situation where OUR narratives can be debated and challenged by anyone, but theirs cannot.</p>
<p>In that sense the problem is it that it doesn&#8217;t matter how good the story is if it&#8217;s the wrong storyteller. That means Friedman does have a fundamental point &#8211; if non-believers are going to be excluded then those within Islam must take up the challenge of confronting the distortions of their narratives.</p>
<p>He is right to ask the question, and it deserves an answer. We certainly do need to work on our narrative, but we spend too long allowing others to evade dealing with their problems and responsibilities through the rhetorical device of pointing out ours.</p>
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